Driverless tube trains, previously touched on here and recently by Tim Fenton, Tom Edwards and a frequent hobby-horse of our old friend Andrew Gilligoon here, are Boris’s Stalinist answer to industrial relations – ‘No man, no problem’.  Unfortunately it’s also ‘No clue’, as the response to a recent FoI of mine reveals.  It occurred to me that with only about 30% or so of the tube arguably automatable in the medium-to-long term and capacity upgrades under way on the rest it was likely that TfL would be hiring more tube drivers during Boris’s tenure rather than sacking them, and his policy of poking Bob Crow with a stick and then demanding that someone else does something to stop the potato-headed Commie was even dafter than we’d thought.  I just asked for a simple table of train operator numbers historically and projected into the future and TfL have responded with commendable speed.  Here’s the table, and a graph:


Year Trained Trainee Total Projected
2003/4 2133 64 2197
2004/5 2481 29 2510
2005/6 2542 80 2622
2006/7 2766 318 3084
2007/8 2968 69 3037
2008/9 3027 7 3034
2009/10 3003 2 3005
2010/11 2967 24 2991
2011/12 3065 104 3169
2012/13 3193 85 3278 3278
2013/14 3492
2014/15 3586
2015/16 3618
2016/17 3633
2017/18 3629
2018/19 3629
2019/20 3629

What does this all tell us? Well, Boris inherited about 3000 train operators, itself a big (40%) increase on the numbers when TfL took over in 2003. Having stayed at 3000 or so from 2006/7 to 2010/11 with very little training of new operators a substantial recruitment exercise has been under way which is intended to boost numbers by a further 400. Having reached this level (20% or so higher than when Boris was first elected) we reach a steady state TfL estimate at around 3600. They are at pains to point out that this *is* just an estimate at this stage, but it’s enough to confirm that, as suspected, the boost in train capacity carries through into a rise in train operators employed to drive them. Interestingly, however, it seems to be rather less than the capacity upgrades so it’s possible to argue that London’s actually getting more capacity per train operator.

What is definitely true is that even four years after Boris cycles off into the sunset there will be zero train operators being kicked off the job by whizzy computer trains. Bob Crow will be with us for a while, therefore.


7 Responses to Driverless Tube Trains – A Hoax On The Public

  1. Doris Johnson says:

    Just another lie from the fat stupid reptilian sack of dog crap.

    Get this fat lying scum out NOW.

  2. See if you can find the vid of the GLA transport committee meeting when Mike Brown tells Richard Tracey that driverless trains are a long way in the future, the disappointment on his face is comical, the realisation that not only has Boris conned the voters but he’s fooled his own Tory AMs.

  3. Doris – how exactly do we get him out now? He beat Ken and will be there until May 2016 unless he resigns. Grow up.

  4. Greg Tingey says:

    We’ve been here before.
    Try HERE:
    For an INFORMED discussion.

    “Driverless” are possible, easily (note the qualifier)
    1. above ground
    2. in twin tunnels
    3. in single tunnels with walkways …
    ( VERY difficult in single-bore tunnels with no exits )
    4. in below-ground stations with platform-edge doors … in ALL the stations below ground.

    Now, get the existing UndergrounD network to fulfill those criteria …

  5. The truther says:

    Once a year we get the same old tired distractions from this failed administarion.

    Driverless tubes and extended operating hours.

    Anyone who actually uses the tube (i.e. not Boris or any of his loud mouthed cronies) – knows these two are nigh impossible without an increase in staff.

    People are stupid if they think driverless trains means less staff costs – I work in an industry which was totally manual – now it’s 98% automated by computer. Are there less staff?

    No – of course not – the manual staff have merely been replaced by techinical support staff.
    The only way driverless trains will cut back on staff costs is if they don’t bother with the additional safety concerns.

    ….which could be achieved far more easily by keeping the drivers and getting rid of the H&S staff and we can go back to the tube being a real danger to use.

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